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Steven Hall: John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that
came down
from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. How could Jesus be in
heaven and
also in the earth. Jesus is God.

ME: Yahshua Came Down From Heaven
Joh 3:13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from
heaven, [even] the Son of
man (which is in heaven is not in ancient Greek manuscripts, see NIV & RSV).
Joh 6:38  For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will
of him that sent me.

Yahshua was stressing His heavenly and paternal origin. Just as the phrase
"sent from Yahweh" does not
always  mean to exist side by side with and then leave Yahweh's presence,
"came down from" is
comparable, in that it also doesn't necessarily mean the same thing. Was
Yahshua an equal or an assistant
working side by side with Yahweh and then was transformed into an embryo
which was
placed completely formed in Mary's womb, making her simply a surrogate
mother? Or was he in fact inside
Yahweh, "in His loins" in other words, and then was sent down to unite with
Mary's egg by the Holy Spirit?

Yahshua explains which one is true.
Joh 16:27  For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and
have believed that I came out*
from God.  28   I came forth(1831)* from the Father, and am come into the
world: again, I leave the world,
and go to the Father.
Jn. 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they
have received them, and have
known surely that I
came out(1831)* from thee , and they have believed that thou didst send me.
*1831  exerchomai  AV - go out 60, come 34, depart 28, go 25, go forth 25,
come out 23, come forth 9,
misc 18; total 222
 to go or come forth of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or
the point from which he
departs, to come forth from physically, arise from, to be born of.

Levi met Melchisedec 100 years before he was even born.
Heb 7:9  And as I may so say,  Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes
in (through) Abraham.   10  For
he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Yahshua was inside of Yahweh as surly as He was also inside the loins of
David (Ps. 132:11, Mt. 1:1, Jn.
7:42, Ro. 1:3, Rv. 22:16).
Ac 2:30  Therefore being a prophet (David), and knowing that God had sworn
with an oath to him, that of
the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to
sit on his throne;  This verse with Jn.
7:42 and Ro. 1:3 completely blows away the embryo-surrogate mother theory.

Look how exerchomai is used in Joh 19:34,  But one of the soldiers with a
spear pierced his side, and
forthwith came there out(1831) blood and water.

Yahshua's words clearly show that He came from within Yahweh not from His
side.

In Jn. 6:48-62 Yahshua gave a sermon that so confounded His listeners that
"from that time many of his
disciples went back, and walked no more with him" (vs. 66).  What everyone
found hard to understand is
still today difficult to accept.  He began by comparing Himself to the manna
given to the Israelis in the
wilderness (as far back as vs. 26).  The words that astonished them were
these, vs. 54  Whoso eateth my
flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at
the last day.  55  For my flesh is
meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.  56  He that eateth my flesh, and
drinketh my blood, dwelleth in
me, and I in him.  These words were taken literally by many and it's
possible some thought He had lost His
mind, not knowing yet of the Last Supper or the Holy Spirit which was soon
to be given.  Then out of the
blue He says, vs. 62; What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up
where he was before?  Does this
mean He was at one time in heaven?  Indeed it does but in what form?  He
follows this up with a qualifier,
verse 63,  the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they]
are life.

In this chapter He repeats over and over "I am the bread from heaven."
Manna also was from heaven, but
was it from the throne room of Yahweh? only if you believe the dew also came
that far.
Nu 11:9  And when the dew fell upon the camp in the night, the manna fell
[upon it (with it RSV)].
We can understand what the scriptures mean when it says the manna came from
heaven but it's true
Yahshua indeed did come all the way from the throne room, all the way from
within Yahweh. How can we
deny the truth that Yahweh did indeed father or beget His Son Yahshua, His
only begotten child.

Dave