Re; DEITY OF JESUS-- EXPLANATION

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Sam M. Smith:  When did He "become" God? John 1:14 says, "And
the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the
glory as
of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

ME: Was "the Word" a second person of a so called Trinity or was it "the
word?"

What is more correct:
1] In the beginning was the spoken word of God , and the spoken word of God
was with
God, and the spoken word of God was God; or
2] In the beginning was the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was
God or
3] In the beginning was Yahshua, and Yahshua was with God, and Yahshua was
God?

In order for #s 2 and 3 to be correct we would have to say Yahshua or the
Son was with
God. This implies two individuals whereas in #1, God's word was with Him,
makes
perfect sense. My word is with me, it is me and I am responsible for it. If
I say something
offensive, like threatening someone's life, I am arrested, not my word,
although my word
has to go to jail also because it is me.

We have been told for so long that John was telling us the Word was the Son
that we don't
even stop and look at the meaning of the "word."

Logos
3056 - logoj  from #3004 [legw to say, speak, teach, command, direct, call,
name];  logos
of speech, a word, uttered by a living voice, what someone has said,
discourse, the act of
speaking, speech, the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking, the
thing spoken
of or talked about

Logos is not the second person of the Trinity like we have been told since
the 4th century,
it is Yahweh's speech or commands, or His voice.

Ps 33:6  By the WORD of Yahweh were the heavens made; and all the host of
them by
the breath of his mouth.  9  For he spake, and it was done; he commanded,
and it stood
fast.
Ps 148:5  Let them praise the name of Yahweh: for he commanded, and they
were
created.
Heb 11:3  Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the
WORD of
God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
2Pe 3:5  By the WORD of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing
out of the
water and in the water:

Yahweh spoke and creation appeared.   Hebrews scholars tell us the literal
translation of
the Hebrew in Gen 1:3 is: God said, "Light be, light was."

Look at how the early English translations dealt with this passage.

John Wycliffe's New Testament (1380 C.E.)  translated from the Latin
Vulgate, not the
Greek, in John 1:3-4 he uses the word "him" in reference to the "Word"

William Tyndale (1526) based upon the Hebrew and Greek  John 1:3-4 reads,
"All things
were made by it, and without it, was made nothing that was made. In it was
life, and the
life was the light of men."

Miles Coverdale, (1535) based on the Latin Vulgate in Jn. 1:1-3 "him" is
used.

Thomas Matthew (real name John Rogers, 1537) based on Tyndale and Coverdale,
known as Matthew's Bible uses "it" in John 1:3-4.

Great Bible (1539), a revision of Matthew's Bible prepared by Miles
Coverdale who
decided "it" was more correct than "him." The Great Bible was the first
authorized
English version and was ordered to be placed in every church.

Geneva Bible (1560) the first Bible to have numbered verses, it became the
"household
Bible of the English-speaking nations" for 75 years.  John 1:3-4  reads "it"
instead of
"him."

Bishop's Bible (1568) translated for it's name sake has John 1:3-4 using
"it," not "him."

Rheims New Testament (1582)  Roman Catholic scholars version based on the
Vulgate
reads John 1:3-4 using "him".

>From that point on, all future versions, beginning with the King James
version of 1611,
used "him" instead of "it."

How did this belief that God's "word" was a separate individual creep into
the Roman
church and thus get passed on to us?

A Greek philosopher named Heraclitus (600 B.C.E.) used the term Logos to
designate the
divine reason or plan which controls the universe, Stoicism (Greek school of
philosophy)
conceived it as a rational divine power that orders and directs the
universe, it is identified
with God.  Philo of Alexandria  (around 20 B.C.E.-45 C.E.)employed it to
blend Jewish
tradition and Platonism, as a mediating principle between God and the world
and can be
understood as God's Word or the Divine Wisdom. Early Christian theologians
developed
the conception of Christ as the Logos in explicitly Platonic terms.
(Microsoft (R)
Encarta)

 Gen.1:3,6,9,11,14,20, and 24, all begin with, "And God said." Yahweh spoke
and it was
done. Ps.33:6,9 says, "By the word of Yahweh were the heavens made; and all
the host by
the breath of his mouth. . . For He spoke and it was; He commanded, and it
stood fast."
God's word was made whatever He commanded it to be. God's word was made
light,
God's word was made grass, God's word was made sun and moon and finally God'
s
word was made flesh. Not only did Yahweh speak creation into existence, but
He also
spoke His Son Yahshua into existence; "And the word (Yahweh's spoken word)
was
made flesh" (Jn.1:14).

Yahshua was not Yahweh or Yahweh's word or with Yahweh when He created the
universe, Yahshua was begotten through Mary by Yahweh's word, as was
everything
else.

Dave