Re; DEITY OF JESUS-- EXPLANATION/my ?
"Joseph and Alison Bryan" (joebry@a-znet.com)
Tue, 14 Dec 1999 09:10:43 -0500
My question I had for myself when I read this is: When was he (JESUS) the
CHRIST?
Here is what I came up with.
Matthew 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David [are] fourteen
generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon [are]
fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto CHRIST
[are] fourteen generations.
18 Now the birth of Jesus CHRIST was on this wise: When as his mother Mary
was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child
of the Holy Ghost.
He was the CHRIST from birth.
Matthew 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of
the people together, he demanded of them where CHRIST should be born.
Matthew 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked
his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias;
and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, THOU ART THE CHRIST, the Son of the
living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:
for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is
in heaven.
18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and UPON THIS ROCK I WILL
BUILD MY CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was
Jesus the
He was not building his church on Peter, God was building his Church upon
the fact that he (JESUS) was the CHRIST the Son of the living God.
Now this is where I contend. God was in CHRIST.
17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things
are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus
Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit,THAT GOD WAS IN CHRIST, reconciling the world unto himself, not
imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of
reconciliation.
If God was not in Christ his whole life then Peter was wrong and what is the
church built on?
I also believe Jesus was the son of David. But even as the son of David he
was also God in the flesh.
Psalm 132:11 The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn
from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
Of David's Body God sat on the throne of David and no one knew him.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, ART THOU A KING THEN? Jesus
answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this
cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth.
Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
Matthew 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born KING OF THE JEWS? for we have
seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
Matthew 27:28 And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.
29 And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put [it] upon his head,
and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked
him, saying, Hail, KING OF THE JEWS!
30 And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.
31 And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and
put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify [him].
Matthew 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS
THE KING OF THE JEWS.
John 19:19 And Pilate wrote a title, and put [it] on the cross. And the
writing was, JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS.
20 This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was
crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, [and] Greek,
[and] Latin.
21 Then said the chief priests of the Jews to Pilate, Write not, The King of
the Jews; but that he said, I am King of the Jews.
22 Pilate answered, What I have written I have written.
Jesus was truly The King of the Jews and in him, as God promised David God
sat on the throne.
That's why Jesus asked this question.
JOHN 22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto
him, [The Son] of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine
enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any [man] from
that day forth ask him any more [questions].
THIS IS THE ANSWER.
Psalm 132:11 The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn
from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
This is why Isaiah went on about the child in Isaiah 9:5-7
Isaiah 9:5 For every battle of the warrior [is] with confused noise, and
garments rolled in blood; but [this] shall be with burning [and] fuel of
fire.
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government
shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end,
upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to
establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.
The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
This battle was won by a Christ who from a child to the man on the cross was
David's LORD and yet his son.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Fretwell@aol.com>
To: <higher-fire@prairienet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 1999 6:48 PM
Subject: Re; DEITY OF JESUS-- EXPLANATION
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> Re:THE DEITY OF JESUS
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> Calvin@zianet.com wrote:
> <<This sounds more like Sabellianism than it does classi-
> cal Modalistic Monotheism.>>
> <<Sabellianism taught that Jesus was not God until His
> baptism. Is that what you are indicating also?>>
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> As I remember, the last time I submitted this article, it
also
> generated quite a bit of discussion.
>
> I believe the questions stem from a somewhat distorted
> view of the Plan of God.
>
> I know nothing about Sabellianism nor Modalistic Monthe-
> ism, so I can not enlighten you about those ideologies.
>
> However, I did run across a scripture many years ago
> which helped me to understand better what has taken place in the
> development of our Salvation today.
>
> Acts 10:37-41 That word, [I say], ye know, which was
> published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after
> the baptism which John preached; HOW GOD ANOINTED
> JESUS OF NAZARETH WITH THE HOLY GHOST AND WITH
> POWER: who went about doing good, and healing all that were
> oppressed of the devil; FOR GOD WAS WITH HIM. And we are
> witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the
Jews,
> and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: HIM
> GOD RAISED UP THE THIRD DAY, AND SHEWED HIM
> OPENLY; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before
> of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he
rose
> from the dead.
>
> Another scripture combination which helped me immensely
> was to compare John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh
> the words of God: for GOD GIVETH NOT THE SPIRIT BY
> MEASURE [UNTO HIM]. with II Corinthians 1:22 Who hath
> also SEALED US, AND GIVEN THE EARNEST OF THE SPIRIT
> IN OUR HEARTS. and II Corinthians 5:5 Now he that hath
> wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, who also hath
given
> unto us the EARNEST OF THE SPIRIT. , and Ephesians 1:14
> Which is the EARNEST OF OUR INHERITANCE UNTIL THE
> REDEMPTION of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his
> glory.
>
> I now realize that I left ample room for misunderstanding
> when I used the term "the Holy Ghost came upon Him" as though
> it was merely the Baptism of the Holy Ghost as we know it today.
> Please forgive me this oversight.
>
> One other scripture which helped me very much is the one
> in Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a CHILD is born, unto us a SON
is
> given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and
his
> name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The
> everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
>
> The CHILD was born in Bethlehem. The SON was
> PROCLAIMED at Jordan. But, the scripture says that the SON
> who was PROCLAIMED at Jordan was actually BEGOTTEN
> three days and three nights AFTER the crucifixion.
>
> Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
> WHICH WAS MADE OF THE SEED OF DAVID according to the
> FLESH; And declared [to be] the Son of God WITH POWER,
> according to the SPIRIT OF HOLINESS, by the RESURRECTION
> FROM THE DEAD:
>
> Acts 13:30 But God raised him from the dead: ---- Acts
> 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, IN THAT
> HE HATH RAISED UP JESUS AGAIN; as it is also written in
> the second psalm, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I
> BEGOTTEN THEE.
>
> John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is FLESH; and
> that which is born of the Spirit is SPIRIT.
>
> What happended to the FLESH OF GOD?
>
> Philippians 2:9 Wherefore GOD ALSO HATH HIGHLY
> EXALTED HIM, and GIVEN HIM A NAME WHICH IS ABOVE
> EVERY NAME: Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every
> knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth,
and
> [things] under the earth;
>
> Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assur-
> edly, that GOD HATH MADE THAT SAME JESUS, WHOM YE
> HAVE CRUCIFIED, BOTH LORD AND CHRIST.
>
> I can not see that Jesus was God in the manger of Bethlehem.
>
> With all respect and regards.
>
> fretwell@aol.com
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