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> > The doctrine of the United Pentecostal Church affirms Jesus Christ
> > is eternal but at the same time they deny the Son of God is eternal.
> > If the Son of God is not eternal, that means the Son of God can only
> > be temporal. The problem is, it is impossible for something eternal
> > to be something temporal, and it is also impossible for something
> > temporal to be something eternal. This being the case, the UPC is
> > alleging Jesus Christ is not the Son of God, and the Son of God is
> > not Jesus Christ. What is wrong with this picture?
> >
> > Sincerely, Keith K

What is "wrong" is the idea that human flesh is eternal.  The mortal (carnal
flesh) will put on immortality & the corruptible (carnal flesh) will be
changed into incorruptible.  Jesus simply did it first.  The human flesh
that the Holy Spirit dwelled in for 33 1/2 years was *not* the same material
that disappeared in the clouds in front of the apostles.  My proof?  I can
give several scriptural examples that show Jesus' fleshly body indeed
changed when he was resurrected.

John 20:1 & 14, 15:
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark,
unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre...And
when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and
knew not that it was Jesus.  (15)...She, supposing him to be the gardner...

Excuse me???  This was the man who delivered demons out of her and she
didn't even recognize him while standing right in front of him!!!

Luke 24:13-16:
And, behold, two of them [some apostles who had just seen the empty tomb]
went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem
about threescore furlongs.  And they talked together of all these things
which had happened.  And it came to pass, that, while they communed together
and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.  But their eyes
were holden that they should not know him.

"were holden...not know him" = retain, obtain, get (Acts 2:24).  They didn't
"get" that it was Jesus.  Why not?  They had practically lived with him for
over 3 years listening to his ministry.  What was different???

Later on that day...
Luke 24:30-31:
And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed
it, and brake, and gave to them.  And their eyes were opened, and they knew
him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Two things - first of all, they didn't get it until they saw him perform a
familiar act (break bread & bless & give - exactly as he did at the last
supper).  Also, as soon as he knew that they knew, he *vanished* out of
their sight!!!  I don't know of any human fleshy beings who can do that.
How do I get this conclusion?

Luke 24:35:  (these guys are relating the previous events to the "eleven")
And they told what things were done in the way, and **how he was known of
them in breaking of bread.**

In fact, even the "elite eleven" didn't believe it was him until shown the
holes in his hands and his feet (v. 40-41).

Now, it is important to note that Jesus was not a vaporous apparition.  He
was a solid being - he had just been *changed*.

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Part B: (hehehe)
His Birth!!!
Luke 1:35:
And the angel answered and aid unto her,...that holy *thing* which which
shall be born of thee shall be *called* the Son of God.

The term of the "Son of God" period of Jesus' existance was defined by his
earthly *birth* and *death*.  Once resurrected, that identity no longer
mattered.


Anneliese
(the end of a convoluted rambling...it's been a long day at work)