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For the glory of God in Christ Jesus!
   
Now that we have the weightier matters of the Law
properly dealt with, anger without sin, proper protocol,
putting the other man's interest ahead of our own, proper
rebuke in love, unconditional forgiveness upon repentance
with
fruits....  Let us tend to the matter that God has chosen
to expose by the means of His servants.

What has transpired: 

God has established several things in the preceeding
messages.  I would like to touch upon a few before I
proceed.  It has been extablished that we are all fallible
and not afraid to admit it.  God has proven that this group
can indeed properly divide the Word of God and that His
love and the enlightenment of the whole is the "primary"
concern of those who contribute.  This is not to say the
"Lurkers" do not share in this but only that it has not
been "manifested."  The distinction between the
infallibility of
personal revelation and public proclamation has been
established: True revelation is infallible but may not
necessarily be applicable to the whole and public
proclamation of even what is based upon revelation "may" be
flawed since it has an element of personal interpretation
inherent in that it is, unless given word for word, the
persons "opinion" of what the infallible revelation means. 
This is nothing new.  Never is anyone ever been rebuked for
misunderstanding the meaning of the revelation (Abraham and
Hagar for instance) but only for altering the revelation to
suit their own purposes or recieving undue gain from it and
of course not heeding warnings.

This allows God who is Perfect to relay His Perfect
information to we who are being perfected but have not
attained fully to Christ and "fore go" Perfect judgement
since we as imperfect cannot completely and instantly
comprehend perfection but must be "conformed to it."  Say
that three times holding you tongue between your fingers! 
There is more but let's move on.
     
I would at this point like to address a couple of
points that Bro. Blume (Is this the proper reference?  For
better or worse we are fairly informal at my church and of
course address Elders as such but usually call the Pastor,
a FINE man of God, Elder Smith.) has raised.  I do so not
to fire a debate on these topics since, Lord willing, we
will be able to address them in context having built
precept
upon precept and line upon line, but do not wish to leave
the
impression that I agree and therefore have not responded. 
As I have said, we will cover these should the Lord permit,
and I will just cover them in passing.

The 7 year thing is a little to detailed to go into now.  I
can only say that I never read Daniel to come up with it
nor do I know what Bro. Blume is refering to.  As for
having been prejugdiced by hearing things from out side
sources that have some how tainted my opinions, I would
like to point out that even Bro. blume has been exposed to
this and from what I read to a greater degree than I.  I
had heard much in the Baptist (no slam just the facts)
Chruch about the Trinity and was "put out" more or less,
you know, they asked my mom if "we" wouldn't be "happier"
in a church that had better "resourses" to "deal" with her
children who were not qualified to tell any one in the
church
that there was no evidence of the Trinity.  Hearing
mistaken doctrine can in fact lead to the truth if one
searches out the answers for themselves.  When I look I
start from scratch and assume nothing.  My "heretical"
views on Chruch orginization and discipline caome from
this, again for better or worse.

As for the "elect" vs. the "bride," this goes back to the
logical argument "all bears are animals therefore all
animals are bears"
paradigm.  "All in the bride are elect therefore all elect
are in the bride" is just as incorrect as the above
statement.  The term "Bride of Christ" was used exclusively
for the New Testament Chruch.

Two more and I gotta go, I have a PILE of work to do!

The proceedure for a Jewish bridegroom was the betrothal
(rebirth) after which the groom "went to prepare a place"
for the bride.  When the place was prepared, the groom
returned for the bride BUT WOULD NOT ENTER INTO THE HOUSE
OF THE BRIDE since she was to be anxiously awaiting His
return and was to come running out (forsaking her former
life) at the trumpet blast of the grooms "head servant"
(Michael) and return to the "bride house" where she gave an
account of her fidelity verbally and was arrayed in a white
"robe" REVELATION CH 7.  There is AFTERWARD the feast Rev
ch 14. And then the consumation when the bride and groom
are made one flesh.  Any "national Jew" in this numbers
loses his nationality since he is in Christ.

If there is a rapture of the Chruch and the national Jews
are left behind they will still be refered to as the
"elect" since they are the "chosen" or the 144,000.  All
that 12 sq. and "totality" stuff is 100% an the beam to use
a term of an old friend.  It means that these will be the
"entirety" of those "marked" by God to recieve the promise.
 What promise?

The 144,000 recieve the promise of Abraham (land) when they
walk into the New Jerusalem, having survived "Jacob's
trouble," that comes down from heaven and are ruled by
Christ and "His Bride."  For continuity ask yourself where
the Old Testament Jews were ever promised that they reign
with anyone
but are promised the land as theirs for and everlasting
inheritance.
We the Bride are promised the "rule" with our Husband/King.

My intro is forth coming.  You will all find that Bro.
Blume and I are not really at odds.  We agree on many
things and disagree on many others.

The one thing that I am sure that we both agree on is that
a perfect or even minimal understanding of the book of
Revelation is in no way required for salvation.  This is
one reason it was allowed to be "sealed" for nearly 2000
years.  There are Spiritual Truths that are timeless
however.  These can add richness and depth to anyones walk
with God!

Timothy Litteral
472 Grant St.
Marion Ohio 43302
trlitteral@usa.net
http://members.tripod.com/~trlitteral