Prophecy re-thinking?

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On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 14:25:34 -0800, you wrote:

>> Back to the earlier point, related to prophect, much of the church
>> undertood the dispensational, and classic "endtime" reading of
>> Daniel/Revelation for a long time, with annointed prayer and Bible
>> study. There are other aspects, I must agree, however its going to
>> take a lot more than thesis, assertions that it was all inherited,
>> and the claim of anointing to absolutely unseat the idea that the Lord
>> is coming soon, national Israel is coming to a point of recognition of
>> the Messiah by divine inspiration and sovreign work of God, and that
>> the apostate gentile world is facing a "cutting off" from opportunity
>> as well as judgement very soon.
>
>To clear the record, I believe Jesus is coming very SOON!  Do not mean to 
>say that I do not due to my prophetic ideas.

Yes, I had evidently read this into your comments. But how could I
have avoided it, since much of the interpretation of the soon coming
of the Lord deriving from the Olivet discourse, and a well woven and
integral scenario (which as I have already discussed, we may or may
not understand in the same way) was being dismissed as being of
uninspired origin.

>And what "Church" believed these "classic" ideas for a long time?
>Is the RCC idea of the CHURCH tradition, giving validity to an
>interpretation due to its TIME LENGTH OF BELIEF in that interpretation
>akin to our understanding of what is truth?

Let me answer your question. The Apostolic church.
I have no idea what this has to do with the RCC. Can you explain?
 
>> The signs of the times say this much. A few passages that a re
>> difficult for a few people doesnt warrant rejecting plain talk, much
>> like one would reject abstracted godhead doctrine for the sake of
>> plain talk.
>
>Keep in mind that, to use your idea of weighing a dogma's validity by
>popular opinion and time-length of a doctrinal interpretation,
>people were convinced Hitler was the antichrist.  Who did not,
>at that time?  Others  were convinced Stalin was the antichrist.  Others - napolean.
>Others, Nero.  Others, Kissinger.  Others, Sadat.  Others, JFK.
>It goes on and on.  And if Jesus should not come until the year
>2301, there will be many more added to the list.

We are aware of the foibles of naming antchrists and all the other
silliness that good people seem to be given to. I hope that the
personal weakness of people who have applied themselves to ideology
does not need to derail that ideology. If this were needful, then the
Bible itself ought to be regarded as e the most vile of literature. 

Rather, it is the refuge of all the weak to find a rock of stability
and to gain strength in despeate situations as well as through the
long miles of life. No one comes out being greater than the master,
and all will testify of Him, both of His greatness and of their
weakness which meet in salvation of God.

>Let us be open that we may have been taught about prophecy is not 
>precise. Including my own thoughts!  Any agree?

Lets also be open to realization that some of what we are expressing
is MORE that "what we have been taught". it is "what we SEE
SCRIPTUALLY, confirm spiriotually, are convicted of PRIVATELY, and
TEACH publically".

It seems a little *limp* to consent to having our ministries reduced
to parrotting "what we have been taught" :-)

Just wanting to iron out some wrinkles here. Its one thing to say "hey
I have a revelation and I want to teach you". Its another thing to do
so while neglecting to confess "I reject YOUR revelation" :-) See,
uncomfortable though it may be, it works both ways, and makes ministry
AND fellowship a profoundly responsible thing.

I appreciate your thoughts, as much as i have read them Brother Blume.
Please continue, and dont be dismayed by comments. We are, all who
live by faith, assured that the WORD will alone prevail.

Apostolics LOVE the WORD of GOD. Apostolics SEEK GOD alone, and shun
profane and misleading wives tales. Apostolics inherit things that, in
the light of God's word, they put behind them. Apostolics are looking
forward to the completeleness of illumination with the coming of the
Lord. Apostolics defer to Jesus Christ as head of all power and
principality and know completeness (though we may sometimes see as
through glass darkly) in Him, and the comfort and edification of His
spirit.

We are not the only ones seeking to articulate the impressions of the
deep, but I think we are the best at it :-) I KNOW that much.

Praise the Lord!

-mw bassett
milford, ct
http://eli.wariat.org/~mbasset