Can others be annointed? et.al.

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On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 14:28:24 -0600, you wrote:

>Should it scare us that God may use others who do not posses the fullness
>of truth?  I don't see why it should--we are not spoiled children.  Like I
>said previously...I am a hard-core, die-hard, classical Oneness
>Pentecostal.  And I don't see any fault in acknowledging that other people
>may be used of God according to His purpose.  This is not to say that
>everyone whom the Lord uses is "saved."

I remember being shocked and even afraid as child of maybe 5, seeing
my mother weeping at the altar rail in the Methodist church. 

I remember being there. I know that there was virtually nothing
routinely conveyed that would even hint that there as a plan of
salvation. I sat and drew pictures in the piling of the velvet pews
with my finger tip, and watched the great pendulum of the grandfather
clock most of the time.

Some old closets of the church smelled like frankisense. It was always
dark. Outside it seemed like it was sunny. The best place "in the
church" was outside on the front step. I was inconspicuous and farily
well behaved mostly but one day, it seemed everyone turned to look at
me, outside on the front step.. They started saying how I looked like
I fit so natural and looked like a "natural" minister. :-) (As years
passed, I sure proved that I was a "natural minister", in every
imaginable sin).

But this day was different. I was scared, and didnt know why my mother
was crying. No, we didnt live like Christians at home. Yes, no doubt
sh felt guilt, but there was some sense of relief there, and I knew
that strangely she was not as "my mother" the way I always thought of
her,  but she was an individual, separated for a moment before her God
- weeping, seeking help. 

They didnt have altars like we do.. They just had a rail with
recepticles for little communion cups. But she was there, on her knees
crying. I think the people seemed to understand, but no one joined
her. The service just seemed to go on around her. I was embarrased and
scared, but I was riveted to the fact that there was a whole different
order than the one I dwelt in and was used to... One in which Mom and
Dad were just children themselves.

Before my children had the Holy Ghost, they seemed to want to run up
and grab my wifes hand and hug her whenever the Holy Ghost started to
move on her in the altar. Their inclinations were probably similar to
my reaction, and they would result in distraction. (Altar workers
ought to understand this dynamic and help to entertain children while
Mom's and Dad's get in touch with God).

Some would say that this was just guilt, and much like a Hindu would
run to their altars seeking help from false Gods. While I cannot be
sure of it, and did no read my Mom's mind,  I DO know that what sent
her there was a message from the same scripture that we read.

If there was a Apostolic preacher anywhere within 50  miles, I dont
know who it was. But I do know that Jesus Christ was somewhere near
when people, in their ignorance, began to humble themselves before
Him. At this time, despising no proper order, I believe God anointed
the minister or speaker or whatever.. and allowed the words that the
minister would allow to be preached, to be empowered to reach someone
with some rays of hope.

OK, PENTECOSTAL, NO, it aint salvation... but dont deny the dog a
crumb fromt he Master's table, huh ?

Someone there prophecied to me. Someone, years later in a group of
hellbound, disobedient gospel resisting professionals, prophecied that
I would be given a voice that no one could resist. I knew God was
speaking to me, but what a source! Anyway... a few years later doors
opened, and the eternal Word popped up His head, right on schedule..
and said "What are you waiting for, didnt I give you a voice ?"

So, Bro Kirk - whether its me, or you, or some Plymouth Brethren, or a
donkey, or

To answer another question, is interpretation required ? Yes. It is.
The Holy Ghost illuminates understanding of the Word, and thus the
church teaches. TRUE Salvation doctrine, ONCE BOUGHT, ought NEVER to
be sold. 

I reitterate that understanding the elements of prophecy (fortelling
God's work and symbolic conveyance of principles active in the world
in a mysterious, or deep way) is a DIFFERENT thing than believing the
doctrine and living the Christian life. Hence, the revelator writes in
one place the Bible says "And here [is] the  mind  which hath  wisdom
..." and details and articulates the explaination of the symbolic
given earlier.. 

Thought Daniel and Revelation, we are not reading ONLY the symbolic,
but actually the recorded voice of the heavenly angel EXPLAINING and
clarifying the vision or dream. In other places, there is no
explaination, and there is a required interpretation. 

You interpret by 

1) the word - the vision must be consistent with the revealed word of
God and not contradictory of the revealed body of faith, OR explicit
explainations given by these heavenly voices and recorded in scripture

and 

2) the indwelling Holy Ghost

the latter leaves out most nominal Christiandom... but, I am happy to
say, interpretation that does not directly hinge on the reveealed Word
is by far the lesser part of reading of scripture.

OK then... 

Its our responsibility to APPLY and TEACH in ALL THE POWER we are
given.  I resist and refute CLEARLY FALSE doctrine. I dont disdain
"interpretation" that is NOT clearly in error (according to the
Apostolic tenets of faith, which we have received and cherished). 

Coming to a unity of the faith is a chore in and of itself. Since (As
we have stated, prophecy is best view in the rear view mirror0, coming
to a consistent agreement on prophecy is UNLIKELY in my opinon. Doesnt
mean we cant teach our deepest convictions. God calls men to do
exactly that.. bear in mind that many scriptures do NOT have only one
reading or meaning.

Now, I would say this to Brother's Blume AND Baxter, encouraging BOTH
to contend for their vision UNTIL if comes to the DISUNITY of the
BODY. At this point, it isnt doing any good :-) But that is a LONG WAY
OFF! We can argue and discuss and have a good old time here, and thank
God for every soul that loves the word and wants to know more about
Jesus and His plan!

Thank you Bro Shaw for your reasoned support in this issue.

-mwb
-mw bassett
milford, ct
http://eli.wariat.org/~mbasset