Prophecy: yes or no?

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Timothy Litteral wrote:

> This is what the Lord meant by the answer was in the
> difference between the "elect" and the "saints."  The term
> "elect" refered to
> ONLY the Jews in the Old Testament.  What were they
> "chosen" for?  To recieve the promised land as their
> "possesion" under the rule of their King.  What are we, the
> "saints" of God promised?  That we will "reign" with the
> King as His "bride": one flesh connected or joined to the
> flesh of Christ via a Spiritual "link."

Again, the gentile CHURCH members are called the ELECT.

> This establishes the context for finding out who the
> 144,000 are.
> 
> As Bro. Glen points out, the 144,000 are taken from the
> tribes of
> Israel.  If this is meant symbolically as a reference to
> the "bride"
> or Church I would ask just which "tribe" you are in and how
> do you know?  

Church is called the ISRAEL of God in Galatians 6:16.  EVERY
"tribe" on earth is granted salvation.  12 is "governmental"
(12 apostles as well as tribes) and depict the KINGDOM
of God, typified by the twelve tribes of Israel.  This may not PROVE
the 144,000 are the Church in symbol, but it certainly says IT 
COULD BE.

> We would have to invent much that has no
> Scriptural
> bases whatever to account for these divisions and it would
> still leave us with the problem that the "bride" NEVER
> inherited the
> LAND but only the "elect" (natural Jews).

Where is land inherited in Revelation?

> The bride's inheritance is in the "sharing" of the
> possesions of the husband as well as the "rule" as queen if
> her husband happened to be a king.  When the husband died
> the "bride" was without property and had to depend upon the
> mercy of the heir.
> 
> The reason the 144,000 are "elected" in the book of
> Revelation is to recieve the land thereby making them Jews.

Church is elected where there is neither Greek nor Jew (Col 3:11-12).
The KINGDOM of God is foreshadowed by the "land" of Israel.

God told Abraham to walk upon the breadth and length of the "land", while
Paul told us to see what is the "height" dpth, breadth and length of the
love of Christ.  Clearly a type is seen.

>  The reason it is impossible for them to be the church is
> that the bride recieves no inheritance but is only taken
> care of as long as her husband lives.
> 
> I am so GLAD that the Chruches Bridegroom has eternal life
> and that He will share this with His faithful, pure,
> chaste, virgin wife shortly after the rapture.
> 
> Want more?  Peter calls the Church "a royal priesthood."
> Let's see now, we are not the King because that is Jesus.
> We are children true enough but we are also the bride
> making us royal by
> our union with the King.  

Yet we are also KINGS (Rev 1:5-6).

> Here again as I have already
> stated, no
> land.  That leaves the priesthood part.  The preist
> (Levites) had no inheritance either.  Since we are called
> by Peter the "priesthood" we have no inheritance but will
> be sustained by the
> due we recieve as our portion of the sacrifice (Jesus)
> through continued service to the Temple on behalf of those
> to whom the inheritance is given.

What about 

Rev 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his 
Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

> The "reward" of the bride "elect" is her union with her
> husband:

We are HEIRS - kings and priests  - individually and a Bride 
corporately.

> Revelation ch. 8 and the heir apparant (national Israel)
> recieves its inheritance upon the delivery of the land into
> its hands after Christ has wrested it from the hands of the
> enemy.

What about....

Gal 4:1  Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, 
differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal 4:2  But is under tutors and governors until the time 
appointed of the father.
Gal 4:3  Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under 
the elements of the world:

Rom 8:17  And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and 
joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that 
we may be also glorified together.

> To answer the question about where the Chruch is in the
> book of Revelation, she is with her husband at the wedding
> feast until after the wedding, 

Wedding feast is not even mentioned until Rev 19, well after
tribulation!!

> and her legal union with the
> flesh of her betrothed, at which time she returns with him
> to secure the inheritance of the children.
> 
> Aint it just like God, Father of the Groom, the Bride and
> the Children to have the enemy "whipped" during the wedding
> ceramony so all the Groom has to do is claim his Kingdom as
> a
> wedding gift/dowery/inheritance for the Groom/bride/heirs.

Wedding ceremony doesn't start till Rev 19.

> Glory to God and the Bride says, even so Lord, come!
> 
> Timothy (God does good stuff when I yeild) Litteral
> 472 Grant St.
> Marion Ohio 43302
> trlitteral@usa.net
> http://members.tripod.com/~trlitteral

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