re trinity correspondence

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>Sure I'm serious.  Why else did the angel tell Mary to call the child
>JESUS.  Simply because JESUS isn't the family name of the foster father
>Joseph.  But, JESUS is the family name of the FATHER.  The angel said:
>"and thou shalt call his name JESUS. (Luk 1:31 & Mat 1:21,25)"

What was John the Baptist's father's name? What was Isaac's father's name?
What was Jacob's father's name? You can see this wrong or we would all be
named Adam for crying out loud!

>The name had to be of the family of God.  Why else are we baptized in the
>name of Jesus?  To take on the family name in adoption.  So that we can
>be joint heirs with Christ.  Identified with God via God's name.

"Who is he that overcometh save he that believeth that Jesus is the Christ,
the Son of God?" "These things are written that ye may believe that Jesus is
the Son of God and that believing, ye woul dhave life through his name." We
must believe in the name of Jesus who is the Son of God, yes. But that is
all the Bible asks us to confess of his identity at this time. No more, no less.

>  It used
>to be a bride would take the grooms name in marraige.  My wife's name was
>Thompson.  Now it's Nally.  She is identified with me via marraige.  Our 
>kids inherited my (family) name, Nally.  There's no reason why the family
>name of God wouldn't be handed down to the first one born of heaven.  

That example is nice, but that tradition isn't biblical is it? It's European
or something.

>Sometimes in the OT, God would appear to an OT saint as someone in angelic
>form.  This (I've heard) is called a theophany.

These "angels" were not created and then uncreated like mirages, they were
real angels who appeared as God to men, just as Moses appeared "as God to
pharoah".

>Wow!  If the official Catechism states that, then why wasn't I ever taught
>it?  

Your teachers were incompetent? Look up "YHWH" in the Catechism index, it
says, "see Jesus". Also notice the entry in the book of Mormon index where
it says, "Jesus Christ: see also God of Israel, Creator, Redeemer, etc." In
fact, the book of Mormon says that Jesus is the Father because he is the
Spirit who made the flesh, and the Son because while he lived in the flesh
he obeyed the Father!
These are not new ideas.

>If I were to ask my parents (one devout RC and one not) about this, I'm
>sure that they wouldn't tell me this.

Like I said, look it up for yourself. You can see the Catholic confession
that Jesus is the OT God come in flesh in the famous _New Jerome Biblical
Commentary_, which, BTW, is indespensible.


>Sure I know God's voice.  The sheep always know the shepherds voice.   

Right. So you know that if Jesus is our shepherd, he always spoke the truth
and no lie was in him. So when he said that he and God was "two men", and
spoke of himself and God as "us", he was being perfectly honest. His
identity was his own, but he only did what he saw his Father doing.

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