Apocalyptic speach (was Real God Quiz)

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>>>>> "OEystein" == OEystein Hokstad <oeystein@nvg.unit.no> writes:

    OEystein> On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Tyler G. Nally wrote:


    >> * Jesus said that he would come back within "this generation" -
    >> that * generation that was listening to him. One generation can
    >> impossibly be * stretched to mean 1900+ years.
    >> 
    >> I think that all Jesus said was that he comes quickly.  He told
    >> the women of Jerusalem that he shouldn't be wept for but them
    >> and their children for them and their children.  Which was the
    >> invasion of Jerusalem by the Romans in AD 70.

    OEystein> He also said:

    OEystein> Matt 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall
    OEystein> come upon this generation.

    OEystein> Matt 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall
    OEystein> not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


    >> I don't think that ANY of this has happened yet.  The last time
    >> I checked, the Mt. of Olives is still in one piece.  The people
    >> of Jerusalem didn't have their eyes and tongues melt from
    >> themseles.

Please, look in detail at that word "generation":

 Mt 24:34 Verily <281> I say <3004> (5719) unto you <5213>, This <3778>
    generation <1074> shall not <3364> pass <3928> (5632), till <302> <2193>
    all <3956> these things <5023> be fulfilled <1096> (5638).

 Mr 13:30 Verily <281> I say <3004> (5719) unto you <5213>, that <3754>
    this <3778> generation <1074> shall <3928> (0) not <3364> pass <3928>
    (5632), till <3360> <3739> all <3956> these things <5023> be done <1096>
    (5638).

 Lu 21:32 Verily <281> I say <3004> (5719) unto you <5213>, <3754> This
    <3778> generation <1074> shall <3928> (0) not <3364> pass away <3928>
    (5632), <302> till <2193> all <3956> be fulfilled <1096> (5638).

In all 3 verses, "generation" is translated from Strong's word number 1074:

>1074 genea {ghen-eh-ah'}

 from (a presumed derivative of) 1085; TDNT - 1:662,114; n f

 AV - generation 37, time 2, age 2, nation 1; 42

 1) fathered, birth, nativity
 2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
   2a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive
       members of a genealogy
   2b) metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments,
       pursuits, character

So "generation" does not mean what this discussion has been assuming
that it meant; it means a people of a birth, of a common father, and
several ranks of natural descent.  Sounds like the birth Jesus was
speaking about was not that group of men alive at the moment of the
speaking, but that group about to be born of the water and the spirit.
Sounds like he was speaking of the father that they were seeing when
they saw Jesus himself.  Sounds like there would be multiple physical
generations of the flesh, but all of that one same generation of the
spirit.  Sounds like he was saying, "This church shall not pass away
till all these things be fulfilled."

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