Two wills or One will?
"Tyler G. Nally" (tnally@csci.csc.com)
Fri, 8 Dec 1995 14:45:15 -0600 (CST)
* >4 ...having become so much better than the angels, as He has by
* > inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
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* When did Jesus BECOME greater than the angels?
It's in the scripture above. Simply by inheritance
"he obtained a more excellent name than they".
The name that is above all names. The name that every knee will
bow to. The name that is over all principalities and powers and
rulers of dark places. By inheriting the name.
* >6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
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* > "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
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* How was Jesus the firstborn BEFORE his worldy life?
Since God is a constant, God can speak of things that aren't as though
they were. Good example would be something like this: "Jesus was the
lamb slain from the foundation of the earth." We all know that Jesus
sacrifice on the cross wasn't until way after the earth was formed, but
nonetheless, the statement is true. From God's point of view. God knew
that man needed a redeemer. He searched the heavens and found no one
else. He knew that he personally would have to come. All this before
human #1 was ever formed and the breath of life ever given. All of this
before earth had shape. In God's mind, the plan of salvation was already
settled.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word (logos - plan), and the Word (plan)
was with God, and the Word (plan) was God.
God's plan to redeeme man was already set. At that time nothing yet was
made but God's plan. God knew the events that were going to happen
in the garden of Eden. I don't think it's off base to say the plan was
God. I realize that the one whom the plan was fullfilled through is God.
But, Jesus was the first born of heaven. Each family has a "firstborn".
In the days of Moses and Pharoah, there was a plague of "the firstborn".
Jesus was the "firstborn" of God. When we receive Baptism of the Holy
Ghost, we also become joint heirs. We become "born" into the family
of God by using the FATHERS name in baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost.
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* >8 But to the Son He says:
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* > "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;..."
* > (cf. Deut. 33:27; Ps. 45:6)
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* That's a King James Trinity Scripture. 1ness does not believe it is possible
* for the flesh to be the same as the diety; the Son is not God but flesh.
I don't know where you get that. I believe that the Son is God in the
flesh. Why do you misunderstand that oneness doesn't believe the
Son is not God?
* Therefore, this is a Trinity verse, not a Oneness verse. Actually, the
* translation does not match the Tanach or the Masoretic text.
What do those other texts say?
* >The author of Hebrews makes a very clear distinction between angels and
* >the Son. Jesus was not simply a glorified angel, as some assert. The
* >author asks a series of rhetorical questions, with the implied answer to
* >each of them being "none of them." As such, the office of the Son is
* >clearly unique, and is filled by none other than God Himself (Heb. 1:8,
* >cf. John 1:1-18).
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* But that is a very Trinitarian thing to say, that the Son is God. I think
* the whole problem, at least in the LITERAL sense of Scripture, is that Jesus
* did not think of himself as God, and the NT never makes clear that we must.
* Either in Trinity or Oneness sense, both of which say Jesus is Jehovah.
I think that scripture doesn't come right out and say it because
oneness is given by personal revelation from God. I think that anybody
can muddle through trinitarianism and go along with it in a studious
kind of way. But, oneness isn't comprehended until the Lord can shed
more light in the mind on his true nature.
Bro. Tyler