Two wills or One will?

• Messages sorted by:[ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ]

>4 ...having become so much better than the angels, as He has by 
>  inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

When did Jesus BECOME greater than the angels?

>6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:
> 
>	"Let all the angels of God worship Him."

How was Jesus the firstborn BEFORE his worldy life?


>8 But to the Son He says:
> 
>	"Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;..."
>		 (cf. Deut. 33:27; Ps. 45:6)

That's a King James Trinity Scripture. 1ness does not believe it is possible
for the flesh to be the same as the diety; the Son is not God but flesh.
Therefore, this is a Trinity verse, not a Oneness verse. Actually, the
translation does not match the Tanach or the Masoretic text.

>The author of Hebrews makes a very clear distinction between angels and 
>the Son.  Jesus was not simply a glorified angel, as some assert.  The 
>author asks a series of rhetorical questions, with the implied answer to 
>each of them being "none of them."  As such, the office of the Son is 
>clearly unique, and is filled by none other than God Himself (Heb. 1:8, 
>cf. John 1:1-18).

But that is a very Trinitarian thing to say, that the Son is God. I think
the whole problem, at least in the LITERAL sense of Scripture, is that Jesus
did not think of himself as God, and the NT never makes clear that we must.
Either in Trinity or Oneness sense, both of which say Jesus is Jehovah.

>For the record, although I have in times past attended "Oneness" churches 
>and understand the concepts behind it, I do not consider myself a 
>traditional Oneness theologian.  On the converse, I am not a traditional 
>trinitarian either.

I think Oneness is more logical than Trinitarianism, even though sometimes
the differences are transparent. I think I mentally niether, although I
worship and pray to Jesus nonetheless. 



/\/\0sC0/\/\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-ISO 9001-=-
Michael Joseph Murphy III		Moscom Corporation
tes@moscom.com			        716-383-6000x6599
PBX/KTS Peripherals     		Technical Support

My opinions do not necessarily reflect that of the staff or
management of the Moscom Corporation. And they are grateful.