tithes

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>> On Wed, 23 Sep 1998 10:26:06 -0400 "Hanson, Bruce"

>> >	You should get a good Hebrew OT and see what word is used 
>in Gen
>> >14:20. The word is TENTH not Tithe. 
<snip>
 Where do all the artisans for the ark and 
>tabernacle in the wilderness come from?

 I got out my Interlinear Greek Hebrew English Bible which translates
things directly from the original language and it says plainly: tithe.

 I suspect you are attempting to show that there was commercial trade by
your statement above?  They might have been paid in chickens and cows. If
so, they would have to give the tenth to the Lord. And if they were paid
in money, I'm sure they gave the tenth to the Lord also. Jacob vowed " 
And of ALL that thou shalt give unto me I will surely give the tenth unto
thee." Gen 28:22 For the Levitical tithe God gave the Levites all the
tenth in Israel for an inheritance. (Numbers 18). I'm sure God didn't say
"Only the farmers have to tithe.  Everyone else is in the clear."

 [Hanson, Bruce] 
> It was on a yearly basses on only what 
>was
>> >left at the time of the count. Animals that were lost, dead, or 
>eaten
>> >were not counted.

 I'm not positive how this was accomplished, and my concordance is 
tired right now.  Please bring me scripture.

>> >	[Hanson, Bruce] =20
>> >	The JPS commentaries on the OT (recognized by othodoxed=20
>> >Judaism) 
 
<snip>
  The first tithe was paid in 
>year
>> >one
>> >and four. The second tithe was paid in years 2 and 5 the third 
>was
>> >paid
>> >in years 3 and 6.

 My reference says Jewish Scholars are confused over this and yours
spells it out plainly as if they all agree. ( See my previous post for a
quote from the Pictorial Bible Dictionary.)

	
 	[Hanson, Bruce] 
> Again I ask are 
>you
>> >going to implement all of the tithe law you love so much?

 We are not talking about implementing the tithe law.  I will answer
Jerry Welch's post with my opinion right here.  Before the Law was
instituted, we see tithes being paid. It was a specific 10%.  In the OT
we see the Levites being given the tenth of all.  In the NT we have
specific instructions to pay the ministers as the Levites were paid. (1
Cor. 9:13,14)  This is obviously referring to the tenth (without
point-blank saying so.  I will address this a little later.)  I don't see
in the NT where the tithing system for the Levites was abolished or
spoken against and Paul had ample opportunity when he was talking about
Abraham and Melchizedek in Hebrews.  I don't see anywhere where the feast
tithe was kept or where the poor tithe was kept before or after the law.

>>  It wasn't until the 6th to 8th century
>> >when
>> >the Catholic church started it as a requirement. We as UPCI have
copied
>> >the Catholics lead here.

 I was raised Catholic and my mother never paid tithes and I never even
heard of them until I became Pentecostal.  ( Maybe I wasn't paying
attention?)

>> >	[Hanson, Bruce] 
>> >	There are no tithe offerings in the NT! You have to go to 
>the
>> >law of the OT to support your contention.

 Okay, let's say that you and some others are perfectly willing to 
brush 1 Cor. 9:13,14 under the table and say " It doesn't actually SAY
tithing!" First, please read Hebrews chapter 7 where it speaks about
tithing. " And here men who die receive tithes; but there he recieveth
them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth."  Nowhere here is tithing
done away with, but contrarily seems to be expected to continue.  Okay
now, you won't go along with that either you say?  Let's split some real
hairs.  If you won't believe tithing is mandated in the NT, then do you
believe God has good math?  Do you think He had a pretty good idea how
much it would take his ministry to survive when he commanded 10%?  Or do
you think you have a better idea?  The feast tithe and the poor tithe
were not given before the law nor were they discussed anywhere after the
law that I can find which is why I believe that we do not practice them
because they were specifically given when the Law was instituted.  We are
commanded to help the poor, however.

 As far as whether someone would go to hell for not paying their tithes,
we are back to the same old discussion of " Therefore to him that knoweth
to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."

 	[Hanson, Bruce] 
>> >	I agree that a workman is worthy of his hire.
<snip>
 How about the Sunday 
>school teacher?

 Do you see that the pastor gets a raise as his load gets bigger with the
tithe? Doesn't that sound like a good plan?  I think all paid ministry
should be paid from the tithe.  I've never heard of paying a Sunday
School teacher.  I am one. Perhaps I should put in for a salary. <G>

 Lynne Yohnk

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