Remarriage...another one - LONG ONE

Jerry Welch (tlwitness@juno.com)
Wed, 9 Sep 1998 19:43:23 -0500


On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:14:21 -0700 "Moore, Kirk W"
<Kirk.Moore@PSS.Boeing.com> writes:

>YOU:
>> You mean if he gets divorced from his wife on SCRIPTURAL GROUNDS
>> (which means the divorce is justified in the eyes of God) then how can
MAN
>> hold that against him?  
>> 
>> The gifts and calling of God are without repentance...UNLESS a man
>> gets a divorce?
>> 
>ME:
>
>I believe that the Bible should be true. There are too many scriptures
>that remove that option away from a person. 

I wholeheartedly agree.

>Jesus, Paul and others have written that 'For the hardness of your 
>heart"... but from the beginning God did not suffer it to be so.

But, you have to admit that God DOES now allow it, although that was
never His intention, that IS the way it is.

>By the divorce-ok group, 

Which includes Jesus, btw.

>If I look on a women in LUST and confess that to my wife, 

There is nothing said about confessing it to your wife.  If you look on a
woman to lust after her in your heart, you have committed adultery in
your heart whether you tell her or not.

>I have committed adultery and she can divorce me. Jesus said that if a 
>man look on a women in lust they have committed adultery with her 
>already. 

IN YOUR HEART, thus offending God, but not physically committing
adultery, else I would suppose that most if not all divorces are
legitimate.  And I do not believe that way.  The sins of the mind are
still sins, but they are not the same as the physical completion of the
same sin that was meditated upon.

Example: Sin is sin and both adultery of the heart and adultery of the
body are wrong with God, but try telling your wife that you lusted after
a woman you saw today and see if she wants a divorce.

Now tell her that you slept with that same woman and ask the same
question... 

            //     <- My attempt at an ASCII picture of a frying pan to
the head!
 ====//
( :^ *)   That's gotta hurt...

>Having worked through the issue with folks, it seems to me that IT 
>gets DOWN to one person HARDENING their heart towards 
>forgiveness. "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that 
>trespass against us". We are called to walk higher, and taller than 
>the world. We are examples to them of what God can do in the 
>broken lives of people around us. 

But Jesus said that divorce is allowable for the reason of adultery,
plain and simple.

>It comes down to this: When do we have the right to break a vow, 
>because the other has.  

The vow is to each other and to God.  When the other person violates the
vow, it breaks the vow.  God releases HIS part of the vow if it relates
to adultery.

>One breaking the vow, does not relieve the other of fulfilling their 
>part of the vow. 

Jesus said that it does.  But please don't believe that I think that
divorce should be the immediate and clear decision in these cases.  It
should be the last resort, I believe, but it needs to remain an option
and Biblically, it does.

>These are vows that are said before God, or become Gods after 
>BOTH parties are Saved, Baptized, and filled with the Holy Ghost. 

Then no marriage is valid unless BOTH people have repented, been baptized
in Jesus' name and received the Holy Ghost ?

>The issue of mixed marriages and unsaved should 
>be dealt with in separate posts.

You mean "mixed marriages" as in one saved/one not saved?

>As the wrong party, 

I think you mean "wrongED" party, don't you?

>we need to look at what we did to facilitate the problems. How did we 
>push them out the door. I will say that there are people who have 
>GOOD spouses and cannot control themselves. This is a case that 
>needs to be handled on a case by case basis. Could we have
>opened doors by treating the accused badly. 

Opening doors is one thing but them stepping through it is another. 
Adultery cannot be justified by the actions of another, or else YOU would
have been justified for committing adultery yourself after you learned
about it.

Would we consider justifying sin based on the statement "The Devil made
me do it" just because he opened all the right doors?

If not, then I wouldn't consider "My Wife/Husband made me do it" to be
any more spiritually justifiable.

>We trust him more, we LOVE him More. I have learned what 
>I did, that pushed her out the door. 

No offense, but I cannot believe that anyone can push anyone else through
a door of sin.  You can point to the direction of the door, you can even
help OPEN the door and provide the means of sin, but the decision to sin
remains solely the personal decision of the sinner.

>I have learned to treat her with that LOVE that God loved us with, 
>even when 12 men did what they did.

I'm very happy that it has worked out so well for the both of you.

>So from personal experience I write the post. Please discussions
>welcomed, Flames looked at. :)
>
>Kirk Moore
>CDG analyst II

I hope you took this as a discussion; I don't like flames.

Jerry Welch
ICQ: 18489712
www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2810/

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