Pastors Leading the flock???)

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  MikeB4:
 I know we have discussed this before and I don't really want to get
into a discussion of this matter but the programing on TV is
destructive and not constructive.  It is not conducive to living a holy
life.  Can you argue with that statement?  Do you think TV''s
programing *is* conducive to living a holy life?  Do you think TV *is*
constructive? (spiritually)  

Skip:
Sigh, I don't want to discuss this either, but this smacks of throwing
the baby out with the bath water.

Mike:
 I guess you didn't feel like answering any of those questions.  Oh well.
 BTW- It seems strange to me that anyone could use a baby as an analogy for
what little "good" TV programing there may be.  A closer analogy may be
throwing out the garbage with a perfectly good piece of left over pizza in it.

 Mike B4:
  Surely you don't have a problem with *all* unbiblical traditions do you?
 
 Skip B4:
 Yes, I have a problem with traditions, especially when the traditions
cause conflict.  I'm not fond of either Christmas or Easter.
 
Mike:
 Oh no!  Three times in one week!

 Skip cut and pasted all this:
 Skip:
> (how many
>times has someone on this list replied the UPCI rules/regs were made by
>Holy Ghost filled prayerful men?) to the leadership.
> 
> Mike:
> As for as I am concerned, I don't care what the UPC "leadership" does.
 
Skip this time:
 Doesn't matter to me one way or the other; but, the answer to the above
question is significant.
 
 Mike this time:
 Okay then, how many times?

 Skip:
 I'll assume you didn't understand my sentence in the manner it was ment
so I'll clarify.  I really get iritated by people fixing God's church by
adding their rules to God's rules giving both equal sway.
 
 Mike: 
 Maybe I didn't.  And that would irritate me also.  However, I don't believe
that is what is in question here.  You, (and others) seem to want to make any
pastor that establishes extrabiblical standards in their local congregations
out to be some kind of totalitarian monarch.  That may be the case in some
circumstances.  The lion share of the pastors that I know that have standards
such as these don't make "their rules [and] God's rules giving both equal
sway."  Again, it seems you are setting up a strawman to beat down.  If there
are men putting their rules on equal footing with God's rules, they are wrong
to do that, but that is a separate issue from pastoral standards. 

 MikeB4: 
  And you are a debater?  Modesty is relative.  We have guide lines that
determine modesty.  Some are biblical some are societal some are some
are drawn by a pastor.
 Everybody has their own idea of where those lines should be drawn, why
not let the man of God do it?

 Skip:
 Sorry to disappoint you, I've been complaining about non-Biblical
standards.  Modesty is Biblical.  Modest is to define in an extreme
case, when clothing is see-through _and_ skin tight nothing is left to
imagination.

 Mike:
 Sorry Skip, but I must hold your feet to the fire on this one.  Who defines
modesty?  If that definition is in the bible, please show me where.
 
 MikeB4:
  You don't think these standards follow logic or make sense? 

...If they seem illogical to you, I don't know if I can reach you. 

 Skip:
 Nope, they don't make sense
 
 Mike:
 That is what I was afraid of.