Obedience TWO REPLIES

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On Thursday, September 03, 1998 11:39 PM, Jerry Welch [SMTP:tlwitness@juno.com] 
wrote:
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>
> > 	Do we as Saints have responsibility to verify truth?
>
> >Yes. We ought to be like the believers in Acts 17:10-11
> >
> >And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto
> Berea:
> >who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
> >
> >These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received
> the
> >word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily,
> whether
> >those things were so.
>
> In other words, they didn't just automatically obey everything without
> question or thought to the matter, right?

I think that's what I said :-)
>
> > 	What do we do, when we find a Pastor in error?
>
> >It depends on the time of error.
>
> >Factual error (i.e. He says Mexico is in Central America) should be
> dealt
> >with as with any other person.
>
> It's not?  <G>
>
> >Doctrinal error should be dealt with according to the passages in
> Timothy.
> >Entreat him as a father, and after the first and second unheeded
> warnings
> >avoid him (i. e. go elsewhere). Speak to others in leadership about the
> >matter if it is causing problems for the whole church.
> >
> >Moral error should be dealt with Scripturally, too.
>
> Do you believe that Pastors should be given better treatment than saints
> when this type of error occurs?

The Bible speaks of entreating an elder like a father, not just rebuking him. 
 Now elders get to be elders by demonstrating maturity, not by being sent 2 by 
2 from Utah or just having a license.
>
> >Confront him according to Matt. seeking a spirit of restoration
> >"when one is fallen, ye who are spiritual seek to restore him...". If
> >this attempt at restoration is unsuccessful and the lapse is
> >verifiable, take it to the elders of the church in a meeting, and
> >finally to the whole church as a body, should he refuse correction.
> >If in the face of clear evidene of SERIOUS moral failure,
> >people wish to deceive and cover up for the sake of "peace",
> >leave that body ASAP.
>
> Agreed.
>
> >Ichabod is on the door.
>
> Okay, although I have heard this phrase many times, no one has told me
> what it means...
The name Ichabod means the Glory has departed. At a low point in Israel's 
history a mother gave this name to her child, to show the nation's condition. I 
forget the exact reference.
>
(snip)
>
Frank Vandenburg