Why I don't agree

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On Tue,  1 Sep 1998 00:51:44, -0500 LSVH37A@prodigy.com (MRS LAURA M
ALLEN) writes:

>ME:
>Agreed--My apologies brother Jerry.

Thank you.

>Me b-4
>>I do not agree FULLY with the above statement.  
>
>BROTHER TYLER:
>Why not? 
>
>What's wrong with it?
>
>Doctrine-n-A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance 
>or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic 
>group; 
>dogma.
>
>Holiness--presented for acceptance by members of the Body of Christ.  
>
>Ok, so Holiness "standards" (Don' know why that is such a bad word...
>but I get wary of using it on this list) aren't doctrines?  Check 
>your definitions.

I have and stand by them.  Perhaps standards can be called PERSONAL
doctrines, but unless they are stated in the Bible, they cannot be termed
doctrine as I am using the word.

>SALVATION:
>I WAS saved (Acts 2:38)
>I am BEING saved (1 Peter 1:2...obedience)
>I WILL BE saved (Rev 21:7...overcoming)
>
>So, our obedience is required for salvation--unless we want to be 
>"1nce saved always saved" (LOLOL).
>
>YOU:
>There's a big difference between DOCTRINES and STANDARDS!  
>
>ME:
>Ok..use sheer logic and contemporary definitions and tell me HOW 
>standards are completely seperate from doctrines.  

Again, wearing a red dress (if you're a woman, of course) without
repenting will NOT send you to Hell.  That is a standard.   Committing
adultery without repenting WILL send you to Hell.

Men wearing short sleeves without repenting will not send you to Hell. 
That is a standard.  Murdering someone without repenting WILL send you to
Hell.

Standards are just THAT; local standards and they vary from Church to
Church.  Doctrine IS Universal and is found in the Bible and cannot be
debated.  

If the local Pastor says "Thou shalt not..." then you shouldn't, since
you place yourself under the man, but it is not a salvation issue. 

If the BIBLE says "Thou shalt not..." then you better not unless you have
a lot of marshmallows and you'll probably need short sleeve shirts as
well!

>YOU:
><things about RC's not having scriptural basis>
>
>ME:
>Completely off-based brother Tyler.  I was speaking about clear 
>doctrines (oops...standards) that are taught to be observed.  
>Example: Women wearing women's clothes.  Men wearing men's clothes.  
>Women not cutting their hair.  Men not having long hair.  Not wearing 
>costly array.  Not wearing any gold, silver pearls, etc (Jewelry).  
>Etc...all with clear scriptural examples.

Those, then are DOCTRINE, that is, they are found in the Bible.

Men wearing beards for instance is NOT against doctrine. 

Men wearing dresses IS against DOCTRINE.

Jerry Welch

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