How Should We Relate to Trinitarians (LONG Article

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At 11:34 PM 9/23/95 -0500, you wrote:
>His name was Werner Heisenburg, the discoverer (inventor?) of the
>physical principle that takes his name: the Heisenburg Uncertianty
>principle.  Kurt Godel discovered (proved!) a somewhat similar theorem
>in mathematical logic, the Godel Indeterminancy principle.

Right.  That would be what I was talking about.  And the result of the work
of these two gentlemen got the rest of the scientific world to wondering
about whether any kind of study could be performed without introducing the
"bias" of the experimentor into it.

You see, psychologists love Heisenburg.  Psychology is such a
fence-straddler.  On one hand, it is a science that studies people.  On the
other hand, since studying people necessarily brings up questions about our
existence (how we exist, etc.), we get to be philosophers as well.

>Heisenburg's principle states that by observing something, you must
>interact with it in such a manner that an exchange of energy occurs.
>The formula states the ratio of momentum and velocity equals Plank's
>constant.   What this means is that if you know where something is,
>then you had to "see" it.  Seeing is accomplished by reflected or
>emmited light.  Light is energy.  Energy is equivalent to mass.
>Therefore, the energy that you saw caused a change in the state of the
>particle you observed via that energy, hence the particle is no longer
>where you saw it, nor heading the way it was when you saw it.  This
>really only comes into play for very small things, such as an electron
>or other subatomic particle.  For thins as big as a book, I do not
>think you are going to change the book in any way that actually
>affects the information content therein.

You are right.  The Heisenburg principle is best for small stuff.  And of
course, this line of study brought about the idea that mass and energy might
be basically the same thing.   Hmmmmm . . .

>The reason I *LIKE* Strongs is because it keys me back to the original
>Hebrew or Greek, and includes a lexicon.  I find that this is a
>significant help in overcoming any trinitarian bias that might be
>present in the English KJV text.

Well, yes, but Strong's was not written in Hebrew and Greek.  The fact
remains that it was translated, and any translation must therefore carry the
bias (interpretation) of the translator.

>    Kyle> Oh, well, it's a long debate . . .

This is cute.  What email program do you use that puts the little "Kyle>"
out in front?

>--"Hear now my reasoning, and harken to the pleadings of my lips." [Jb 13:6]--
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Robert, I've noticed your signature on several different occasions.  If I
may be so nosy, what is it, exactly, that you do?

Kyle
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