[wsalek@intalek.com: Re: [kdimick@colsa.com: Re: The tower]]
"Robert J. Brown" (rj@ELI.WARIAT.ORG)
Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:53:05 -0500
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At 01:20 AM 7/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
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>Brother Litteral wrote:
>> Umm.... there are at least 5 demensions: length, width, height, time and
>mass or
>> gravitational "pull." In general, anything that can be measured, is a
>demension.
>> Thought can be measured and this is the "depth" of the passage you
>quoted.
>>
>> We precieve time as "linier": past =>present=>future but if you will,
>draw a line of a
>> piece of paper. The beginning of the line is the beginning of
>time/creation and the end > of the line is end of time/creation. Now you
>are "outside" of this system. If someone
>> on the line is at the beginning of the line, you ARE. If someone is in
>the middle of the > line, you ARE. And if someone is at the end of the
>line, you ARE.
>
>I was not implying that the dimension mentioned in Eph 3:19 negates,
>displaces
>or replaces any other dimension (such as time). I was trying to point out
>that
>God has indicated that He is beyond our natural three spatial dimensions.
>And
>I do believe I used the term spatial dimensions.
>
>I generally regard thought as a two dimensional quantity. It has existence
>as,
>shall we say, a 'planer' reality and is defined by time as well. As a
>hypothetical
>line has only two dimensions, so it is with thought. It exists in a
>similar way as
>the words you are reading right now. They are virtually flat, thereby
>having only
>two dimensions. Thoughts exist as a quantity of electricity in our brains
>(though I am not saying they do not go beyond that). They also exist in a
>finite
Question, where does the physical brain stop and the mind begin? The mind
or soul of an individual is obviously transcended, or exists hyper
dimensionally.
body, mind, and spirit. The mind is perhaps the interface between the body
and the spirit. A 3d-to-(3+n)d interface. Although if one where to consider
an "Alzhiemer" patient, I think we're looking at a breakdown between body
and mind. The mind is intacted, but the interface is destroyed.
>quantity of time. (Though anyone who has ever gotten the theme from
>Gilligan's
>Island stuck in their heads would argue that some thoughts are endless.)
>
>While time is certainly a dimension for us, we exist in a finite time
>frame. I have
>freedom to move in three dimensional space but no freedom to move in time.
>I
>always exist in a moment of time. [Here it comes, wait for it, wait for it
>.. oops,
>too late, it's gone!] God exist outside of time and can move freely within
>it.
>
>When we receive the Spirit of God we receive something that transcends time
>
>and space. It is as a doorway to the infinite. Does the Holy Ghost
>change?
>While we might 'feel' more of less of the Spirit of Christ, He changes not.
> He
>is the same yesterday, today and forever. Therefore, we have a measure of
>the infinite within us, a link to a spiritual existence which we will one
>day
>possess as our own (the spiritual existence that is). That is why the Holy
>Ghost
>is the 'earnest of our inheritance'. Jesus in His glorified state defied
>three
>dimensional space and probably defied time. He certainly defied
>gravitational
>force when He ascended.
Choosing these passages presents some very interesting ideas. When Christ
and one of his desciples walked on water, yes, they're defying gravity.
But, the above text is descibing passage from our three dimensional world
to/from a hyper dimensional world.
>
>Which makes me wonder about scriptures such as the following:
>(Acts 8:39-40 KJV) "And when they were come up out of the water
>the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him
>no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. {40} But Philip was
>found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities,
>till he came to Caesarea."
>
>These seem very cryptic. How was Philip 'caught away'? Seems interesting
>to me that the word used here for 'caught away' is 'harpazo'
>(Strong's:G726).
>It is also used in the following scriptures:
>
>(Matthew 11:12 KJV) "And from the days of John the Baptist until
>now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take
>it by force."
>
>[take it by force=harpazo]
>
>(2 Corinthians 12:2 KJV) "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen
>years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the
>body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the
>third heaven."
>
>[caught up=harpazo]
>
>And of course:
>
>(1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV) "Then we which are alive and remain
>shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord
>in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
>
>[caught up=harpazo]
>
>Just interesting, that's all.
>
>Kathy Dimick
>Falkville, Alabama
>kdimick@colsa.com
>kedimick@hotmail.com
>http://members.tripod.com/~coffeepleaz/index.html
>
>"For to me to live is Christ"
>
>P.S. Isn't there a current quantum physics theory out there that postulates
>
>26 dimensions? I forget to whom it belongs. Anyone??
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