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In a message dated 97-07-26 08:13:45 EDT, kdimick@colsa.com writes:

<< I generally regard thought as a *two dimensional* quantity.  It has
existence
 as, 
 shall we say, a 'planer' reality and is defined by time as well.  As a
 hypothetical 
 *line* has only *two dimensions*, 

Me:

But, a line has only one dimension, (infinite) length. Remember, when we say
we are drawing a "line" on a sheet of paper, what we are actually doing is
drawing a representation of  a line *segment*. A true line has no width or
depth, and cannot be seen by the natural eye, even though it is there.
Mathematicians have truly mastered the art of "seeing the invisible" (cf.
Hebrews 11:27). Seem like nitpicking?...not really; a true mathematician
would not let anyone incorrectly add an additional dimension to a line, any
more than we would let someone add another "person" to our God. 


You:
  
<<so it is with thought.It exists in a
 similar way as 
 the words you are reading right now.  They are virtually *flat*, thereby
 having only 
 *two dimensions*. >>

Me:

Although this is the way it often is in reality, God has given us the example
that our thoughts are to have *depth*, a *third dimension*. I must agree that
often out thoughts are planar, not going to higher heights or deeper depths,
but I don't believe that God intends for us to remain on the same level
(plane) forever.

Ps 92:5
5	O LORD, how great are thy works! and thy *thoughts* are *very deep*.
(KJV)

I always prefer to talk with *deep thinkers*, who look for more than just the
obvious that is on the surface of the plane.


You:
<< *Thoughts exist* as a quantity of electricity in our *brains* 
 (though I am not saying they do not go beyond that).>>

Me:

The Bible teaches differently; thoughts exist in our *hearts*.


Prov 23:7
7	For as he *thinketh* in his *heart*, so is he: 
(KJV)

Luke 2:35
35	... that the *thoughts* of many *hearts* may be revealed.
(KJV)


You:
<<  They also exist in a
 *finite 
 quantity of time.*>>

Me:

Many who believe that thoughts are just electrical impulses in our brains,
also believe that every thought we have ever had is stored away in our brain
forever, like a gigantic hard drive. If we can stimulate that particular part
of the brain, we can "remember" anything and everything. The problem is not
that the thought doesn't exist anymore, the problem is "recall". Ever forget
a filename? It's still there, but we just can't locate it at the moment. Much
like a student during a major exam.

  You:
 <<He certainly *defied*
 gravitational 
 force when He ascended. >>

Me:
Not necessarily. The physics of the situation is that if an attractive force
is applied to an object that is *greater* than the attractive force applied
by the gravitational pull of the earth, the object will leave the Earth, to
be attracted to the source of the stronger force. I'm not so sure that this
isn't what happened, even though this was a "spiritual" force, and not a
natural one. 
 
 You:

 [take it by force=harpazo]
 

 [caught up=harpazo]
  
 (1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV)  "Then we which are alive and remain 
 shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord 
 in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
 
 [caught up=harpazo]>>

Me:
Amen

 You:
 <<Just interesting, that's all.>>

Me:
Here's something interesting, or should I say, "food for Thought":

THOUGHT 

	(thot): The *most frequent word* in the Old Testament (machashebheth, )
(from International Standard Bible Encylopaedia, Electronic Database
Copyright (C) 1996 by Biblesoft)

Thoughts must be pretty important,...don't you think?

 
 Pastor (I'm still thinking about it) Joe