Misunderstanding

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At 01:24 AM 2/12/98 -1100, Bro Glenn B wrote:

>I, for one, am sorry to see Brother Thorn leave the list although I can
>understand his reasons for wanting to do so. 

Correction ... Bro Thorn has not left the list.  At least at the
time of this message, he's not decided to unsubscribe from the list.
If anybody ever wants to check who's on the list, they can always 
send a piece of e-mail to the listprocessor at:  listproc@prairienet.org
with the following in the body of the message:   review higher-fire

Only memebers and owners can do that.

>I have noticed a pervasive air of hostility coming from 
>many members of this group. Has anyone else felt this?

I wouldn't say *hostility*.  But rather frustration.  I'm not sure
why it is yet.  But, I think the misunderstandings of Bro Thorn come
from the possibility that he's wanting to speak of the Holy Priesthood
or Pure lineage.  Which is perfectly fine.  Seems like, like on most lists,
the discussion continues outside of what he's wanting to discuss (even 
though the SUBJECT isn't changed - which it technically should) when 
someone brings up a point in response to one of the items he's talked
about.  Then the subject thread continues on one of the sub-topics of
what was originally discussed.  Without much of a warning.  Then Bro 
Thorn replies in *context* to the original subject matter without
realizing the *reply* before him, was off of the topic that he wants to
discuss.  He gets frustrated because the reply he sees doesn't match
up to the original thread.  And others get frustrated because we've
come full circle in discussion about to go over the same thing.

For example.... let's talk about the family of fruit that are known
as citrus fruit.  Specifically the ones that are in the orange family.
>From a discussion about oranges, we might talk about the mandarin variety,
tangelos, tangerines, navel, super-sweet, and seedless.  The discussion 
then focuses on tangelos for a few messages.  The original poster, probably
not knowing, seeing the subject line the same, posts about the reply 
of oranges (when in fact the discussion is now about tangelos) and writes
about how something is not right and it doesn't apply when the subject 
matter for that particular thread has changed.  Because the original
poster still wants to talk about oranges, he does.  Then other folks get 
a little frustrated because the discussion has already gone beyond that
point and maybe they don't feel like there's anything more to discuss
about it.  It might not even be a point they disagree with.  They just
don't feel a need to take issue.  The original poster gets frustrated 
because no one wants to talk (or engages in a very little discussion) 
about oranges.  That's where the misunderstanding comes from.

>I've seen individuals berated for something as petty 
>as a misspelled word! That's absurd. 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm .... berated?  I don't think anybody was ever called *stupid*
because they can't spell -or- that they are *ignorant* -or- *unlearned*, 
etc.  The error of their way will be pointed out, but they won't be cast 
down for the error.

This is what happens if someone is warned about misspellings.  If their 
posting is so *chock* full of misspellings that it might be a distraction 
to the reader, the post is sent back to the poster and they are directed 
to the H-F Netiquette guide that it's in their best interest to correct 
the spelling errors as they'll be the one that benefits from the corrections 
of the misspelled words.  All done in private.

Later on, the person who has had his post rejected, makes mention of the
rejection (because of misspellings, etc.) to the entire list (and this has
happened many times as well) which then makes a public *issue* out of 
misspellings, rejections, and censorship, etc. 

It is then, that us moderators post a message as to why we do things a
certain way and recount the events showing the progress of the situation
that lead up to the decision of rejection.  Had there not been a post to
the list about such, it'd remain a private matter.  Instead, the poster
becomes the subject, and not the original topic of discussion.

>But we must keep up appearances for those perusing the archives. 

Yes and no.  Yes that it'd be nice to keep them spotless.  I'd think it's
a good thing to ask for corrections and abide by it.  But, if someone insists
they can't correct it, ultimately, it'll get let through for distribution.

>I suppose that this is one of the pro-blems 
>you run into with a moderated list. 

I imagine so.  I wonder if it's an American Apostolic thing.  It's a given
that there's free speach in the U.S.A. and there was a time when the H-F
list was free as well.  But if you were to check back in the archives,
you'd find that it was an excercise to physically tear down the brethren
and sistren back then.  A completely ugly situation.  Regularly seen, no 
one was edified by it, and several unsubscribed.  Way back in Feb 1996 
or so was when it was unmoderated and very un-edifying.

I think part of the volitility comes from is that fact that us apostolics
have such *complete* allegience to what we hear across the pulpit, that
we often don't question (and test the spirits) it to see if the message
was of God or not.  Just because there might have been signs and wonders
during it doesn't mean that the message delivered was of God.  There are
some highly talented preachers out there that could probably preach an
annointed message about "sins of wearing knee-high hose" -vs- *the holiness
of wearing pantyhose*.  The preacher could probably do such a good job at
it, that by the time he's done, he could have a whole congregation fooled
into thinking that his message was "thus saith the Lord".

I'll give an example (and tell on my pastor a little bit - he reads this
too so don't worry about me telling about something he wouldn't approve
(or hasn't said himself)).  He tells me one time when he preached about 
"Temperance".  Thinking that he was preaching about "not having a temper"
or "not being angry", etc.  From what I heard, it was quite a ho-down of
a service about this message on "Temperance" and "Anger".  They were runnin',
dancin', and shoutin' by the reports of the service I've heard.  He later 
looked it up in the dictionary and figured out that what his annointed
message 
was completely out of focus in accords to dictionary definition of the word.
Later, he corrected himself by admitting he did the congregation wrong and
preached the message on "Temperance" by what's contained in the word.

I think we all come into this forum *biased*.  We all have our own slants
based on our current local church situation, organizational situation, etc.
We've all probably had the thought that *My way is right* (term A).  Not
realizing that it should be "My way is right for me" (term B).  So, we 
write H-F, according to the very statement of term A and people take offense
by it because their own A isn't the same A as another.  Not thinking that
there's a lattitude of *correctness* in their thoughts and opinions, the 
discussion heats up dramatically.  Words are said out of passion and emotion
and feelings are hurt.

Privilege of speech (which is what we have here) isn't the same as
"free speech" normally enjoyed.

Bro Tyler

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