Jan's Question

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[ Jan Haugland on no such thing asnot being saved or whatever ]
>Mike Murphy said:
>>>1Tim 4:10 "For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope
>>>set on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of 
>>>those who believe."

>> However, "whoever trusts the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys 
>> the Son will not see that life but remains subject to God's wrath." (Jn 
>> 3:36).
>
>And God's wrath came over those people Jesus was talking to in 70 AD. The 
>concept of eternal punishment is and has been completely foreign to 
>Judaistic religion. 

Jan, the gentiles in Thessolonikos who were told that message on "eternal
destruction" in the Apostles own words had nothign to do with the Jews in
Jerusalem who were crucified. You outright deny the words in the books?

>Not very logical, Murph. 

"The natural man receiveth not the things of God: for they are siritually
discerned"

You sound like a scoffing Greek from the Areopagus who didn't "like" the Gospel.

Since the JW's brainwash their sheep with all these lies about the "anointed
class" you have never been born from above and can't see these things.
Please don't think I am attacking you Jan, that is just my perspective.
Jesus told Nicodemus "Unless a man be born of water AND SPIRIT, he CANNOT
SEE THE KINGDOM OF GOD". So JW's cannot even comprehend the spiritual
kingdom, they confess this by denying the POWER of the Gospel, the REAL Holy
Spirit.

Christianity is fellowship with God and his righteousness in the Holy Ghost,
not creeds and liturgies. 

P.S. -->> Unbeliever healed of Lupus last week in a Cell Group in Rochester,
N.Y. Wimps need not apply

>Parable mode: I see three people who are about to drown, and I say to 
>them: "I will help those of you who can manage to swim over here." Only 
>one is able to swim over where I am, and I save him, without even getting 
>wet. The other two drown. Am I then "the saver of all these men"?

No, Jan, that's not the idea at all. How's about, Jesus gave his life a
ransom for EVERY person who ever lived, but some people are so whitewashed
and self-righteous, that despite obvious sin they continue to sin instead of
obey the Gospel which can save them. (Acts 2:38). Do you remember the
parable of the sower?

>You are making God very small if he's unable to save all men. And you are 
>making hum cruel if you say he is unwilling to save all men.
  
"God commandeth men everywhere to repent: it is his will that none should
perish, but that all should COME to repentance."

People have to OBEY which means MAKE AN EFFORT Jan! But the price of
admission has been paid on the cross, it is up the the individual heart to
accept the call.

>> So if 0Eystein claims the day has already come, he is seeking to 
>> deceive us. 
>
>Come'on, Murph. Try to *think*. If your interpretation was correct, that 
>would mean that the day of the Lord *can never come*. Never.

No, because the New Testament, like the Torah, will not always be in effect.

>It's a gross anachronism to use this scripture like that. It was a letter 
>written to Thessaloniki in Greece around 54AD. You can't just cut it out 
>and apply the text randomly to people living today.

It's not random. I honestly see this "end of the age" prophecies of the
general resurrection of the dead to be literal and precede the resurrection
of the living at the coming of Jesus from heaven where he awaits to command
to go forth subduing his enemies--like Hades and Death.

Last time I was at the funeral parlor, the stiffs were still stiff.

>> Remember, beloved brothers and sisters, we are waiting for Yah Veh God 
>> to send yeshua back from heaven where he now rests until the 
>> conclusion. 
>
>You'll be waiting, and waiting, and waiting...

But the day will come. I am in heaven already which I am in God's presence
in the Spirit. I will be on earth when resurrected in the regeneration of
things in the flesh. Pollos said "we ARE seated in heavenly places" with
Christ, not we WILL be. that is the union of the Spirit he spoke about!

>When is it time to stop making christianity a mockery to all the world? 
>Christ said he would come *soon*. When is "soon" over? 3000 years? 4000 
>years?

Let them scoff and say, "where is the promise of his coming, for since the
fathers fell asleep all things are the same from the beginning of creation." 

How long did Avraham wait for his seed?


>  1Thess 4:16,17 "And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are 
>  alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the
>  clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the 
>  Lord."
>
>So, I ask you: Were Paul's expectations fulfilled or were they not?

Not YET. Obviously. 
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