I have recently started a moo and normal programmers when trying to make verbs or objects get an error that says too many verb calls but although wizard char's don't have this problem, the version of moo server i'm useing is 1.7.9p2 and core version (latest) i also seem to have this problem on a local moo on a linux box. Any help appreciated at cbaldry@envirolink.org or jay.ruddel l@bushnet.qld.edu.au Thanks --- Cbaldry